I am kinda tired and don't really feel like writing a long detailed post about the various facets of torture that have come out over the last couple of weeks. This will read like a bunch of random thoughts.
To the people who call things like waterboarding and slamming people's heads into walls something that isn't torture I just want to ask why would we be doing it if it wasn't torture?
What I find more appalling then the fact that we actually torture people is the fact that we employ such matters when it is not even an effective way to gather information from suspects. Most of the information we get from torturing people is unreliable because people will reveal anything you want to hear just to get the pain to stop. Also if you waterboard an individual over 180 you're either really fucking bad at torturing someone or its not an effective method of gathering intelligence information.
Right now Bill O reilly is going crazy about how Obama is putting out memos and pictures about prisoner abuse that we are putting various American people and interests at home and abroad in danger and that Obama is the worst person in the world for letting this happen. You know what fuck Bill-O and every other fucking hack piece of shit host on Fox News and talk radio who advances this retarded four year old logic. The worst part is that Bill-O just admitted that the U.S. is guilty of committing prisoner abuses. Let me get this straight. So the previous administration is guilty of horrible acts that break not only our laws but international laws and it is somehow Obama's fault for revealing how corrupt the previous administration was? Makes perfect sense.
What is also something that makes me mad is that the same people who either dfend America's implementation of torture or who don't agree that we have tortured would probably advocate bombing the fuck out of a country who employed the same methods we have on citizens from our country. It is kind of hypicritical just like it is when those who say they are pro life actively cheered when Israel bombed the shit out of the Gaza Strip and employed hard core fucking shit like white phosperus in populated areas (and if you want to see how horrific that shit is click on this link). It basically burns your skin to the bone.
Oh and I guess I should say that not all Fox Hosts are idiots.
All though this has nothing to do with torture a while ago I posted a video by the group Matt and Kim called Daylight and this is their new video. I kind of like this song almost as much and the video is pretty cool. It even has a surprise ending.
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Thursday, April 16, 2009
America Rules!
This post has to do with a post I want to do on how America views the world and their notions on how America is the greatest country in the world. I will write that post someday. Let's just call this what they do in the strip clubs; a cock tease.
I don't know if you have read or heard about this but Spain was thinking about prosecuting top Bush aides for what they claimed were acts of torture of five Spanish citizens that were held in Guantánamo.
It is now being reported that Spanish prosecutors will recommend against opening an investigation into whether six Bush administration officials sanctioned torture against terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, the country's attorney-general said Thursday.
Which brings me to the conservative website Hot Air. I am using them as an example because this is how a lot of people in this country think. After quoting some of the text from the associated press report linked above the author of this post wrote this:
"Spain likes to consider itself omnipotent in criminal matters. They have the notion that they can apply “universal justice” by trying people for crimes committed outside of their own sovereignty. That’s a tremendously arrogant notion, one that challenges American sovereignty in this case. We declared our independence from European oversight 233 years ago, and we don’t answer to Spanish courts. The proper channel for issues concerning public officials between two sovereign nations is diplomatic, not prosecutorial."
This is typical American thinking if you ask me. All this talk about Sovereignty like we are the greatest country ever (as a country we aren't bad I guess but take a look at where the U.S. ranks in most major categories such as life expectancy, education, health, but more on this in another post). True we did declare our independence years ago (not from Spain) but we are responsible for following the Geneva Conventions which says torture is bad. I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot instead of people crying about holding Spain responsible for torturing a U.S. citizen we would call for bombing them.
I get so sick of this antiquated notion that America can do anything they want and other countries can shut up and take it. Somehow the fattest nation who is responsible for such iconic things like the blanket with sleeves, Creed and Red Bull can go on about Sovereignty but I guess this is what happens when people are fed a steady diet of steroid injected fast food and Fox News (and Hot Air).
"If Spain moves forward, the Obama administration must defend American sovereignty by imposing stiff diplomatic consequences for this national insult."
So let me take a stab at this. The past administration endorsed tactics that are defined to be torture and these tactics were implemented on Spanish citizens who were probably innocent so their country wants to hold us responsible for such actions and that is the national insult? I would think the national insult would be that America as a country uses acts of torture that have been proven to be ineffective and people still champion it but apparently Spain is at fault here. I mean fuck, I meant to say America rules!
(I should also say that this Ed Morrissey also says in his article that Conde-Pumpido as saying that this was a political issue when in fact it was one of the human rights lawyers who brought this case to Spain who said his decision was politically motivated.)
And how about this for a laugh. Check out the comments section. this one jumped out at me:
DL13: Isn’t Spain the country that murdered millions of Indians in North/South America during the 1500-1800’s? Perhaps we should have sent our Gitmo guards to them for training, or something. OK, just kidding on the suggestion…..
Because The United States has a great track record when it comes to treatment of Native Americans. Ok, just kidding... I mean seriously what the fuck.
I don't know if you have read or heard about this but Spain was thinking about prosecuting top Bush aides for what they claimed were acts of torture of five Spanish citizens that were held in Guantánamo.
It is now being reported that Spanish prosecutors will recommend against opening an investigation into whether six Bush administration officials sanctioned torture against terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, the country's attorney-general said Thursday.
Which brings me to the conservative website Hot Air. I am using them as an example because this is how a lot of people in this country think. After quoting some of the text from the associated press report linked above the author of this post wrote this:
"Spain likes to consider itself omnipotent in criminal matters. They have the notion that they can apply “universal justice” by trying people for crimes committed outside of their own sovereignty. That’s a tremendously arrogant notion, one that challenges American sovereignty in this case. We declared our independence from European oversight 233 years ago, and we don’t answer to Spanish courts. The proper channel for issues concerning public officials between two sovereign nations is diplomatic, not prosecutorial."
This is typical American thinking if you ask me. All this talk about Sovereignty like we are the greatest country ever (as a country we aren't bad I guess but take a look at where the U.S. ranks in most major categories such as life expectancy, education, health, but more on this in another post). True we did declare our independence years ago (not from Spain) but we are responsible for following the Geneva Conventions which says torture is bad. I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot instead of people crying about holding Spain responsible for torturing a U.S. citizen we would call for bombing them.
I get so sick of this antiquated notion that America can do anything they want and other countries can shut up and take it. Somehow the fattest nation who is responsible for such iconic things like the blanket with sleeves, Creed and Red Bull can go on about Sovereignty but I guess this is what happens when people are fed a steady diet of steroid injected fast food and Fox News (and Hot Air).
"If Spain moves forward, the Obama administration must defend American sovereignty by imposing stiff diplomatic consequences for this national insult."
So let me take a stab at this. The past administration endorsed tactics that are defined to be torture and these tactics were implemented on Spanish citizens who were probably innocent so their country wants to hold us responsible for such actions and that is the national insult? I would think the national insult would be that America as a country uses acts of torture that have been proven to be ineffective and people still champion it but apparently Spain is at fault here. I mean fuck, I meant to say America rules!
(I should also say that this Ed Morrissey also says in his article that Conde-Pumpido as saying that this was a political issue when in fact it was one of the human rights lawyers who brought this case to Spain who said his decision was politically motivated.)
And how about this for a laugh. Check out the comments section. this one jumped out at me:
DL13: Isn’t Spain the country that murdered millions of Indians in North/South America during the 1500-1800’s? Perhaps we should have sent our Gitmo guards to them for training, or something. OK, just kidding on the suggestion…..
Because The United States has a great track record when it comes to treatment of Native Americans. Ok, just kidding... I mean seriously what the fuck.
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